Fri Jul 3 16:41:01 UTC 2009

Iran

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Normally Iran is not our business, since it is a foreign country. However Dutch politics used such harsh words recently, that DAVIDWE sees itself obliged to make a position against these words.

First DAVIDWE congratulates Achmedinedjad with his re-election. May the Islamic Republic of Iran do well for her people. May peace be in your lands, forever.

DAVIDWE first needs to develop the context of its foreign policy, it being a new party. DAVIDWE (see also earlier) does not see itself, or the Dutch culture, necessarily capable to make judgement about really foreign cultures. DAVIDWE therefore resorts to making relative judgements about countries by looking at their neighbors. DAVIDWE does not believe that any people is just capable of meeting any moral standard, and in fact this holds true for Holland as well. This is not a strict rule, but could be a useful guideline. With this guideline we attempt to reduce the Euro-centric myopic view that we otherwise might have. A danger of the Euro-centric myopic view would be, for example, that we might make the judgement that absence of multi-party democracy in some middle African country is an atrocity and proof of oppression. Because it is not like we have it here. However, it has been shown that multi-party democracy in Africa can be a cause of violence and civil war. By instead comparing these countries with their neighbors and their own past, judgements could become fairer. DAVIDWE even acknowledges the possibility of non-democratic regimes being useful for their people. It depends on what a people can do. The European model is just one of the possibilities, it is not necessarily the best. Given the European record in foreign policy, the support of dictatorships and overthrow of foreign democracies and attempts to make society better, the European model may in fact be one of the worst models. It has destroyed so much in the world, particularly through its foreign policy. The list of American foreign policy crimes is quite impressive, for example. The western Europeans probably haven't done much differently as they tend to be one block with the Americans, certainly since WW2.

Iran is not a western European country, not an Eastern European country, but a middle eastern country. Iran is a Moslem country. Hence it is to be compared with nations such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan. More widely it can be compared to Russia, Indonesia (Moslem), the North African countries.

Iran is reported to have had its democracy overthrown by the western world (when the Sha was installed?). DAVIDWE assumes this accusation is correct, even if proof either way would be lacking. It is widely believed that is what happened.

DAVIDWE will never support an attack on Iran, never.

DAVIDWE hopes Iran will achieve its energy goals, which is part of its internal policy making. Good luck. DAVIDWE does not care whether Iran will become a nuclear power with nuclear weapons, although DAVIDWE is against all such weapons in principle. For disarmament DAVIDWE first looks at the USA and Europe, Holland itself. Once we are disarmed, we might be in a position to suggest disarmament of other nations - but only as a friendly advice. We have no right to tell Iran not to try to defend itself from western aggression.

DAVIDWE is worried about western aggression and western attempts to overthrow the democracy in Iran. DAVIDWE has not seen sufficient evidence of vote tampering, and notices that the highest authority of Iran had declared both candidates viable. Whether this is a way of voting that I would envision for Holland: no, but this is not Holland. DAVIDWE hopes that the western world, particularly its capitalist media, stops tampering with the Iranian state processes. The feeding with (false?) hope of the defeated opponent its supporters to rally on the streets, using constant media coverage in a positive light, may have triggered these rallies to become more then they other wise would have been. This may have eventually resulted in deaths.

DAVIDWE notices that the protests where allowed to take place at first, for several days, and therefore finds that the right to protest exists in Iran.

DAVIDWE is looking forward to discuss with Iran its laws and systems, on the invitation of Iran, if there is an interest in changing them in some ways.

Comparison with nearby nations. Nearby nations are Iraq (also largely Moslem), and Afghanistan (also largely Moslem.) Iran is doing very well for itself compared to these, what seems to be, war zones thanks to western unprovoked and criminal aggression. DAVIDWE hopes that Iran can maintain its stability despite the onslaught of violence on both its borders, and worries that western powers will want to invade Iran. This could create a single large sphere of chaos, suffering, and western military presence.

DAVIDWE notes that western countries have themselves more then enough violence going on within them to worry about. Pointing the finger at Iran, in light of what the west has been doing and is doing, is - as it usually is - hypocritical. DAVIDWE shares with Iranian Achmedinedjad the hope that the Israeli Government will as soon as possible be replaced with something that works, that is not capitalist, and not oppressive. DAVIDWE has its own proposals that might work in Israel, solutions which would likely bring to an end any military threat of aggression toward Iran.

Immigration

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DAVIDWE shares with the PVV (!) the idea that it could be a good idea to set a numerical limit on the amount of immigrants allowed into Holland. DAVIDWE demands that families are not broken up, judgements on immigration must always concern the entire family as a unit. Judgements must be quick. DAVIDWE does not believe this policy will be easily enforced, since people can get into Holland easy enough.

Oeps, ik besef dat ik Engels schrijf, sorry. Pech dan.

Bij een immigratie quotum is er misschien ook meer tolerantie voor hen die wel binnenkomen. DAVIDWE vind 5000 personen per jaar wel een interessant voorstel (50.000 per 10 jaar, 150.000 per 30 jaar). (Overigens is dit soort beleid al lang geleden vastgelegd als koers, (zie elders) dit beleid wordt dus niet overgenomen van de PVV maar was al de principe koers van DAVIDWE.) DAVIDWE meent dat partijen die geen quotum durven te stellen beleid schuw zijn, omdat bijvoorbeeld een toestroom van 30 miljoen in 1 jaar onmogelijk is. Er zit dus ergens een maximum, alhoewel je het er natuurlijk op aan kunt laten komen. Overigens zal bij grote overbevolking de immigratie weer af nemen, maar zover zou men het toch niet moeten laten komen. Er is dus een praktisch maximum, dus met een discussie daarover is niets mis.

Wat vooral moet afnemen is het misbruik door het investeringskapitaal van goedkope arbeids migratie. Het is wat DAVIDWE betreft rechts en het investeringskapitaal geweest dat grenzen open heeft gezet, om zo te kunnen profiteren van de economische nood van de medemens. "Gelijk loon voor gelijk werk," is een lege huls als bijvoorbeeld wat werkgevers betreft een tekort dreigt aan schoonmakers (of wat dan ook), en dus de lonen wellicht naar een fatsoenlijker niveau "dreigen" te gaan, maar dan worden snel buitenlanders ingezet en aangetrokken om de lonen "gelijk" met het verleden te houden ? Het investeringskapitaal is altijd uit op het vinden van goedkopen arbeid. DAVIDWE stelt: laat die lonen maar lekker stijgen, tot dat er iemand zin in krijgt om het te doen. Dat is het nut van marktwerking, dat is precies wat we willen. Schoonmaker verdient meer dan een minister president ? Heel goed, we zijn op de goede weg ... (Wanneer steunt rechts de vrije markt eens als het in het voordeel van de arbeid is ? Even sportief blijven.)

DAVIDWE meent dat de immigratie toestroom grotendeels wordt veroorzaakt door het rampzalige buitenland beleid van het westen over de laatste eeuwen (economisch / militair). D66 suggereert dat mensen die uit Teheran vluchten hier mogen wonen ? DAVIDWE vraagt zich af hoeveel mensen vanuit het westen wellicht hadden staan te springen om naar Teheran te emigreren, als het westen daar niet de democratie om zeep had geholpen. Ten tweede: moeten alle Iraniërs dan in Nederland komen wonen ? DAVIDWE denkt van niet: ze moeten daar juist blijven, om hun land op orde te krijgen, als dat nodig is. In de visie van D66 zijn grote veranderingen nodig in Iran. Wie dan juist die mensen die menen te moeten vluchten uit Iran zijn de beste mensen om die veranderingen door te voeren ? Had het westen nou maar met zijn handen van andere landen afgebleven. DAVIDWE stelt: laten we daar dan zo snel mogelijk mee beginnen. Afblijven van die andere landen. Onder geen beding oorlog voeren tegen Iran, ook al hebben ze de beste intercontinentale nucleaire wapens en alle soorten gifgas dat er te krijg is.

Iran is geen bedreiging voor Nederland, op geen enkel front. Maar juist de verdachtmaking van Iran als bedreiging roept die bedreiging op. Wij maken van Iran zo een vijand, iets dat helemaal nergens voor nodig is. Nogal logisch dat Iran zich dan probeert te bewapenen. Nogal logisch dat Iran zo snel mogelijk nucleair wil gaan. Wat anders dan bruut oorlogsgeweld schrikt het hypocriete en oorlogszuchtige westen af ?!

Kijk eens naar jezelf, schijnheilige westerse ratten.

En nee, deze site wordt niet gesteund vanuit Iran met geld, en eigenaar is geen Moslim. En hoofddoekjes zijn heel oké, ik vind het mooi en het staat ook nog goed. Mijn hemel laat die westerlingen zich met iets gaan bezig houden dat er toe doet.

DAVIDWE congratulates Iran with the anti-capitalist laws of the Koran. Something the west can learn a thing or two about. For profit business finance must not be allowed.

(DAVIDWE does not possess much or any information about Iran, has not studied Iran, has never been to Iran. Therefore the judgements of DAVIDWE may not be refined or even correct. For example I don't even know whether Iran has a strict anti-capitalist financial law system that is enforced sufficiently. I do subscribe to the idea that: war is the worst and sum of all humanitarian attrocities. The worst that can happen is war on Iran. The west has proven its incompetence in this area once more with Afghanistan and Iraq.)