108. 108 jos boersema Says: December 29th, 2008 at 4:07 am hmmm, the "pro justice" fron is already making major mistakes, this could cost you hugely, eveything, you could die because of this. What you are doing is thumbing and beating on the old ragged drum that some presidents said whatever about posse-comitatus, something that will sound obscure or irrelevant to most people on the ground. What are the changes you will win "because long dead presidents warned about posse comitatus" ? Don`t you see the tremendous strategic opportunity that the criminal elites are throwing right in your face ? I guess they are counting on you not exploiting it, so they can. What is happening: they are apparently softening up the troops to the humanitarian idea that policing in the USA is "good for the USA public" THEN EXPLOIT THAT, brainless twits. Sigh. You guys must love death. Befriend the 3rd infantry division, send them postcards if you like. Tell them how you like the idea that now they are not at war killing innocent Iraqis, but helping the USA public. The criminals may at one point try to turn the military against the public. If you antagonize the 3rd infantry division, guess what that will do ? You will get the antagonism right back in your face, probably in the form of a bullit ripping through your upper lip, exiting through your right ear, or whatever. What is the chance to win on the basis of antagonistics with 3rd infantry ? Do you people EVER evaluate your strategy ? No, didn`t think so either. If it won`t be the army that bites you, it will be the military police that will. Don`t you get it. If it comes to it, you need as much support for pro-people, anti-death camps as you can get. So befriend the 3rd infantry, and befriend what can still be befriended in the police. That way you play hand-in-glove with what is a problem for the criminal elite at the momen. They have the problem of first making troops think they are doing good things in the USA, while eventually they will want to use these troop to do evil things. That switch they want to bring about through fighting a home-grown insurrection, and then brainwashing the soldiers into thinking much of USA public has become the enemy of the other half of the USA public. I don`t think you will be able to defeat based on posse-comitatus, aren`t the troop already there, haven`t you already lost that battle ? Then stop harping on that lost battleground, and find one that still leads to VICTORY. If much of 3rd infantry is befriended, and isn`t "doing good" "doing good" ? Isn`t "cutting out people from wreckt in principle a good thing" ? If you at least also play that angle heavily, even when you could still try to win based on posse comitatus with THE COURTS which is where you`d fight that battle, or politics where you might win, then there is so much more changes many infantry units will refuse evil orders, and/or decide to fight for justice rather then criminal dictatorship & the potential death camps. I`m not saying to plead defeat on posse comitatus, but try to exploit the problems of the enemy for all the are worth. That enemy is high up in the chain of command, so exploit that and BEFRIEND THE TROOPS. They are usually not to blame, aren`t they often the worst victims of it all ? I`m not saying to lie to the soldiers to play friends while hating them. Already try to win them for a pro-peoples resistence now that the enemy is in this ideologically weak spot. What you`d be saying is "yeah, it is good to help people, and it would also be good to fight a domestic dictatorship like Hitler, wouldn`t it, fight for the American people on the home soil ! resisting evil orders and if need be let life for justice at home then greed of corporations abroad !" Would leave the criminals somewhat stunned, as this is now their line also. Then when evil will try to turn the troops it will be harder, and they risk insurrection by 3rd infantry on honorable causes. Then when the time comes, we have more friends where we need them most, that is on the big guns, in control of camps, etc etc. Try to exploit the problems of the enemy for all that its worth ... Find out who 3rd infantry is, and rally them about real justice & civil liberties in the USA ! This is still the american dream right now, so bolster that, harden that in their minds. Befriend them too. It should pay off at least to some degree, and it is the truth, it isn`t lying. They fight for us, we for them, and together we defeat the evil criminals in politics & banking and high industry ... Buy a postcard ? Could this work ? Is it worth a try ? Is doing nothing superior, potentially alienating the troops making them easier prey for the "higher ups" ? Isn`t posse commitatus already shot through ? How will some lone troops agreeing to posse commitatus be able to help the situation at all right now ? If they lay down their weapons, that wouldn`t help either, as they would become powerless in the face of potential state tyranny. 109. 109 InherentGood Says: December 29th, 2008 at 4:35 am Hi there. I've read all the comments, and despite all the bickering, there seems to be a consensus on the fact that the military will do as it's told... Quite distubing actually! I think deurotelle (#85) is spot on. Why can't we envision a way to wake those poor brainwashed troops up so that when they are given these horrendous orders they will refuse to implement them and maybe even decide to revolt against the greedy people issuing these orders in the first place? Aren't soldiers the sons/daughters/spouses/parents of the citizens? They will only kill their brethren if they are made to believe some perposterous lie. We should focus on encouraging a mililtary strike/awakening of some sort. To all you wise Veterans out there, would that not be possible? 110. 110 InherentGood Says: December 29th, 2008 at 4:43 am #108, you're spot on too! Your post was just no up there while I was writing mine. I really hope more people realize that this is probably the best approach at this stage. 113. 113 jos boersema Says: December 29th, 2008 at 7:38 am #110 Thanks, and apologies for my insults, have to work on that. I was thinking along these lines: - First of all make sure we are not lying, we must not simply do this as a military strategy. People with no sympathy for troops for whatever reason shouldn`t partake. - We (I keep saying we though I`m in Holland, but this is a global battlefront IMHO), we should try not to be superficial, and really let the military people feel we mean solidarity, especially with those troops that are loyal to civil liberties. So that can mean all kinds of real help. It can be tricky, because to do this all of a sudden, wouldn`t they feel betrayed "now all of a sudden they have something to lose, or to fear, they suddenly help us? " But that will be diminished because of strong past support for "the troops" so that won`t be too cheesy hopefully. - The goal is really "befriend with the truth & justice," befriending personally is a side issue. We can make post-cards with the American flag, and superimposed the great civil liberties that make America "worth fighting for, at home & abroad" such as "freedom to go anywhere" or "free speech" or "judge by fair trial based on law, civil court, representation with lawyars" and so on. The very things the military has been duped at fighting for in Iraq/Afghanistan, but now it could actually be real. - I don`t think a too heavy dose of "if you don`t, well shoot you" will work well, as this is antagonsitic. We would also be looking for second-stage "honorable insurrection," that is insurrection once the dictatorship is already going on for some time, and people & troops are starting to notice this is not right. At that point reality would have superceded all lies, so that is a strategic point in the potential development that could be exploited. Later we either get revolution, or acceptence of the new status-quo, and that would be somewhat of a defeat at that point. So at that second point we probably should commit all-out. If we commit in the beginning "all out," we may play in their hands if numbers are too small. If numbers are enough, we could get them at their initial attempt, so we should try that too but the risk is they will play it and round up our bravest people. Difficult however way. Even: sending post-cards like this and so on & so forth, maybe best not to leave fingerprints on them, however well meant ? One never knows whether they`ll make a database etc. This is way paranoid, but ... By the way, if you look at AJ in video, he has a good repore with troops & police if he`s talking to them. I figure this is going to get difficult if we are unlucky, there might not be an easy solution if there are too many troops/police willing to execute bad orders (or who remain out of the loop, which is what the nazis did with the jewish death camps). 115. 115 jos boersema Says: December 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am ... to develop this "befriend 3rd troops to civil liberties" some more: - Keep the text on postcards *short* 1 item "Why USA is worth fighting for at home and abroad ... A speedy trial" Stop. Don`t bore troops out of their mind by quoting an entire Constitutional amendment. "A speedy trial" Then the troops will say the themselves "yeah, *I* would want a speedy trial" ... "I deserve a speedy trial" ... "We are fighting for speedy trials" ... "this is good & honorable, a speedy trial" ... ... "whomever doesn`t give a speedy trial is an enemy of America, and my enemy". Other themes: "America is worth fighting for at home and abroad ... - "free speech" - "no torture" - ... etc etc You can then make a series of it, which the troops could collect if they want to. This may spark some debate between troops: "hey XX, why do you collect these cheesy postcards" "well isn`t this right ? they are a bit cheesy, but I like what they are saying ..." whatever, if they talk about civil liberties, that is plus. This could later indicate what troops can not be trusted also. The postcards could have the USA flag in all kinds of colors besides blue & red, this as a preparation for later carving up USA into multiple sovereign American "brother/sister nations," each could potentially have a USA federal flag in a different color. Could maintain 50 start/stripes, which is also a feature in a potentially Constitutional upgrade for the USA ( http://www.socialism.nl/law ) - - - - - PS Cut "at home and abroad," keeps it shorter and doesn't support empire building.