Strongly advice to use "function identifiers" If you are starting up a chapter 3 Government, I strongly advice you to start using visible (indoor and outdoors clothing, particularly outdoors) "function identifiers" immedeately from the start. The reason is that it brings clarity & transparency to everyone, at that time when it is most needed, which is during the start. If you launch a new boat, you don`t load it down with its maximum cargo either: you keep it light to prevent the calamity of sinking to be less severe. Later you put in more load to see if she can bear it. If you don`t start with function identifiers, and face disintegration, you have a big problem on your hands. If you do start with identifiers and they end up being unnecesary or no longer necessary, you can remove them in a carefull way without causing any problems. Like a building is build with scaffolding, the function identifiers act like a scaffolding around the new Government representative system. It may be that these function identifiers end up very useful indeed, and become a more permanent fixture. I see no problem with that, on the contrary. In practice this means probably at least shoulder marks on clothing, which can be these:Or a variation. It may be useful to add a national flag somewhere, as a differentiation from other nations. It may also be useful to add a local flag or council name somewhere. Thus if a delegate for Winsum (village in Groningen) travels to Amsterdam, she is not called out for problems in Amsterdam by passers by, because she`s identifyable by the Groningen province flag and the name of her council in the Winsum area. Again: if it is not needed, it can always be removed. If it is needed, you can prevent national chaos with it. That is worth the trouble. It is not that costly to make and maintain. An alternative is a button on the front of a jacket, which may be more consistent with more types of clothing. Maybe it is best to leave the choice to the delegates (voters?) as to how they would want to be identifyable, as long as they are. If voters are identifyable, that could function as a strong "we support this type Government, don`t think there is a leadership vacuum because we stand behind the Government" signal. The perception of a leadership vacuum is more dangerous then an actual vacuum.
Some simple minded anarchists might complaign that this is "militarized Government," but it isn`t and so as usual what the anarchists say is quite irrelevant. It should come out quickly enough that delegates only have a defined power as a Constitutional council and only in that context. The reason to make them identifyable is to make them easier to reach, and to prevent an impression of a power vacuum, not to make them your personal "sovereign commanding officer to which you owe absolute loyalty and mute subservient subjugation" (which would be unconstitutional.) For direct power: look to the police & the laws to which they are held, the judges, just like normal. It makes sense to allow the delegates to not be identifyable as such constantly, as they might want to be free some time also. As long as it is enough. The delegates should be responcible enough to make the judgement. But if there is danger of chaos it could be a national law that delegates are always identifyable, constantly, except in their own home / private indoors. A cautious people should take a cautious route, not gamble with chaos, which is a threat with such great changes of Government (system.) Will it work: of course it should, the delegates will have to get their business in order (most difficult in the bigger cities) quickly, get something functional on the road as quickly as possible. Later it can be finetuned. If need be: install something through the National Government over the bigger cities and any areas not managing on their own. Can (again) be a nationally appointed "mayor" type bureaucrat over a city, which would be the ultimate and simplest form of top down order. When calm & order pervade, that can be a good time to look at what has emerged in terms of local / provincial Governments. If bottom-up is too difficult and unusual, you should probably choose to use a Government system one per village / city. In theory simple enough: all delegates in a village / city come together, form one local Government, either directly of further elected from between them. That is already a possible interpretation of chapter 3. Might be best to do that, as it is less unusual compared to the present. Villages who are stuck with below 50 delegates either need to link up with neighboring areas, or the law needs to be changed to allow smaller councils. Or you set up a correct 50 or more council, and have it delegate itself to smaller councils per village (retaining official function / power in the sub-council combination.) To be cautious, it is probably best to have at first one council per bit city, and not several or numerous. Can always later be shattered into more. There is a big risk, by the way, that is something doesn`t immedeately work, that people will throw away the whole idea of a more precise democracy. People aren`t very principled unfortunately. posted on Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:32 PM Comments # re: Strongly advice to use "function identifiers" jos boersema Preliminary national Government: A difficulty with chapter 3 Government is: "the nation is divided into 50 parts, each elects one representative, who are national Government deciding by majority." Where are the borders of these 50 sectors/provinces ? You need some kind of national entity to make the decision. It could be: the women committee, the King/Queen, or the national Government. Problem with them all is they more or less depend on some kind of national entity to exist to organize them: for the King/Queen elections for the electoral committee are needed, who can do that ? For the national Government you need a nation divided into 50 sectors, who can do that, who its scheme is it going to be ? The women committee can be brought out relatively easily and decentralized, but it may be a reasonably drawn out process and quite a but merky if the women do not show decisive action and clarity (which could be likely). Every hour without a clear Government could mean endlessly more problems. Hence it is necessary that "the regions" can start up a full system, the regions must be able to divide themselves in and elect a national representative. Is such a representative chosen, it can be exploited for order even locally. If there is a political leadership vacuum in big cities, it makes sense that in the absence of a national Government, the person elected for national Government but not having linked up with elsewhere yet, locally helps out and if need be makes decisions in the interest of order (such as appoint a temporary mayor over larger cities.) Hence the regions must be able to elect someone to national Government, that could help a lot and is needed anyway, even if there is no agreement or contact with anyone about where the borders of the 50 sectors will be. The most obvious answer seems to be: elect someone locally over an area that at least seems to be near the 1/50th of the nation. These sectors will then spring up wildly and will have no good fit with eachother. The result is a national Government over a weird 50 sectors division. If a good plan has been thought out in advance, if a King or Queen was present to ratify it with one voice, then things would be easy. If not, that seems to be a possible back-up plan. Some delegates could be voted in over a much greater population then others in the "wild sectors" scheme. But it would only be a temporary Government, who is capable of setting up the sectors correctly, order a re-vote with the better sectors. Note that in all of this the police and judges should still be maintaining normal order, hunt crime, investigate complex crimes, and so on. This is only a political issue, reorganization of the political Government, not the police or the Judiciary. These other 2 branches should function at best possible efficiency, and get all the help they need. Hence, if delegates where elected, have linked up for local Government, and are needing a national Government, they should make a reasonable guess, don`t wast too much time on it, and just send someone in that is reliable and a good person, smart, wise if possible, and so on. A women would probably be best. Hopefully these delegates pay no attention to what sector they came from but dutifully divide the nation as is best for her, so as not to protect their own platform at the cost of sub-optimal sectoring. Hopefully if they do the job well, they will score political points in all new sectors. I don`t remember if I`ve suggested a location for link-up of the national Government delegates (probably not). As a default the same central location can be used as for the first election of a King/Queen, which is the same kind of "create a center for the sake of a center" problem (it was center of the nation, closest old-people home nearby). Regions should not hesitate with charging ahead and electing national delegate and simply proclaim to be a sector, because speed is important. If several sector-plans exist and it seems days/weeks away a sector-plan will be needed, it makes good sense to draft one up and bring it to the "central location" as suggested for King/Queen elections. It can there be decided centrally even by a few people what plan is best, because a faulty sector plan will be much better then no plan at all. From the central location it could be communicated far & wide again. You could let the willing people of the old home do the voting (not the staff), to give it a sense of neutrality and "we don`t care what plan it is, as long as we have one that is better then nothing." That will give it credibility in the eyes of the people. * It may be a good idea for the national Government to send a messenger to all big cities after being formed. The messenger from national Government can inspect the state of contentment over the Government system there, assist with it having some official clout (namely representing national Government). If things are bad, someone is already on the ground that could function as a (temporary) mayor. Posted @ 2/19/2009 4:30 PM # re: Strongly advice to use "function identifiers" jos boersema The preliminary Government can`t be expected to be exactly 50 persons. It makes sense it would convene in the central location as suggested, to facilitate link-up with other regional delegates. When a national delegate is sent in, it would need to be ratified. To make that possible it could carry letters/votes, and a good number of delegates from its sector along with it, to ratify it. In the sector it could be proclaimed who was elected (likely to happen anyway). A reasonably short investigation could ratify the candidate as real. In case of reactionary violence, plans for link up etc need to be altered, obviously. If everyone knows the link-up site, long ahead of time, it can make good sense to alter it at the last possible moment. Hopefully the moment then will work it out. The National Government can start as soon as possible with its continual touring of the nation, first heading to the places with most trouble. Some kind of heraldry is needed to ratify the national Government where it comes along. The function-identifiers are an element in this, some flags would help, some show of police could help, music, some nice things. This to prevent the national Government from comings somewhere during relative chaos, and nobody even giving them the credit they need (being representative of the majority of the whole people !). If order is good and knowledge of who is who is no problem, heraldry isn`t needed anymore (could still be fun though ! To bring in a week long visit of the national Government in function, roclaim to the People that national Government is around the corner and in function.). Posted @ 2/19/2009 4:43 PM # re: Strongly advice to use "function identifiers" jos boersema Maybe I finally solved the "big city" Governance problem in my system: - elect a city-wide local Government by dividing the city into 50 sectors, each electing one representative, and - at the same time have the delegates form smaller councils. That yields a dual local Government, one city-wide and the other a patchwork of smaller councils, together it should be enough Governance dealing both with the overall city as a unit, and the more localized issues giving real people more voice in the Government. The 50 city sectors would probably not yield exactly one council for each. The weird thing about this set up is that both local and city-wide have the same "local Government" function, one is not authorative over the other. I don`t think that is going to be a problem, but if it is it is "two local Governments in conflict" which is the task of the Country Council to solve (that is my Constitution at least.) This way the local Governments do not feel obligated to merge into quite large local Governments for the sake of overview in the city, that task is already accomplished. The delegates not elected to city-wide can focus on forming the smalles possible councils they wish, to deal with the smallest local problems. This basic system can again be varied upon. I can imagine it would be more to the liking of local councils to elect one representative of each local council toward the city-wide council. You know the people in your own council better, it is more efficient, easier communications local / city-wide, easier replacements, etc. It is not a problem for first-level delegate councils (who have all directly been elected by the people, none is further elected by other delegates), to send in a delegate for city-wide, making the city-wide council a further local body (twice elected delegates). A problem is: if fewer then 50 delegates result it is not a legal council, and a local council who`se delegates where already elected twice can not further elect representatives (prohibited in my Constitution, to keep distance delegates / people smaller.) A solution for this problem "if electing further delegates per 50th sector is felt less optimal then one per local council" is to turn the city-wide from an official local Government, into an advice council which shape / size is not defined in the Constitution. That at least makes it possible to use less then 50 delegates in a city-wide advice council, it also makes it possible to elect non-delegates in that advice council. The "further body local Governments" (that is local Governments who have formed 50 groups of delegates in themselves, who each elect a further delegates) can solve the problem very easily: the vote must be held accross all delegates, not just those elected to the local Government by the other delegates. That means there is again only 2 steps of election between the city-wide local Government, and the people, which is the requirenment. In case a city-wide body is set up as an advice council by the local Governments themselves, that city-wide Government obviously has less power then the local Governments. The small local Governments always rule over the city-wide, who can only make powerless recomendations. That too can be changed: if the national Government installs a city-wide body, and declares it should be elected as above suggested for the city-wide advice council one delegate per smaller local council (which is probably much more effective), then obviously that council gets power from the national Council as a delegation of power, depending on what the national Council makes that delegation to be. If the national Governments says "strictly advice only," then it would be the same powerless advice council. But if the national Government delegates part of its power to solve disputes between local Governments to that city wide advice council, then that city wide advice council - not a local Government one way or the other, but a delegation of the national level - has that real power. I suppose the local Governments could simply ask of the national Government to give or not give such a city-wide advice council (not local Government) such an official status. This should probably work, making installing a nationally delegated "mayor" unnecesary (except maybe in emergencies). It is doubtful such a "mayor" position is even constitutional: it probably is not (!). But as the Dutch saying goes "emergency breaks law." I think this dual city-wide and small local will be pretty good, and provide good coverage of Governance everywhere in a big city, while maintaining the freedom and democracy for the people. Posted @ 2/20/2009 10:43 AM