. . Subject: Re: Libertarian Socialists Form in Denmark . . . . . . > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Define 'use money as a scarce commodity' ? If I had to guess I see two possible definitions, the first is clueless about economics (because money needs to be scarce or it is useless), and the second is about *loans* being scarce for humanitarian/social initiative while being plentifull for psychopathic operations against labor. If you're talking about loans, you are right: we need the loans to business upstarts and so on, to be either directed to non-abusive type companies, or to be small in size yet "plentifull easy to get, but on collateral" to everyone good and bad, or a combination of these two. The way to do that is first to outlaw for profit business loans. Stock markest, money markets, for profit loans to businesses, that has all to be outlawed. See http://www.socialism.nl/law -> chapter 8 of that Constitution is about how to do that, and chapter 3 is about how to structure the Government so it is democratic and equipped to handle finance that way. > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... I agree, if you mean with 'scarce money' (kind of an unknown term isn't it, what is that about?) a for-profit finance sector. Such a sector will be most profitable where labor is abused, thus 'the psychopaths' take over that sector, and they cause businesses also to be run by by their fellow psychopathic bosses. You are rigth that psychopathic people, power hungry criminals and so on, they will gravitate toward concentrations of power like an avelange is attracted downwards. Therefore we can count with certainty that all the psychopathic people will want to be in Government, will want to populate Government advice councils, will want to run corporations, will want to be elected to power, want to be involved with maybe the Judiciary and the police. Everywhere where they expect money, perks, power, leverage, social status, they're lusting after it with a vengeance. > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Of course, I agree. > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Of course, and state democracy. > ... > ... Indeed. The socialists are our friends, the capitalists and the fake infiltrator pretence socialists are both our enemies ('the psychopaths'). Infiltration is a MAJOR concern. On my site I mapped out not only a Constitution, but also a party strategy to gain control over democratic Governments. I made that a multi-party strategy, a pack strategy: reason, you can count on 'the psychopaths' and the professional infiltrators from the secret services also, to hunt for the positions of power in political parties. Eventually they are going to take control, or likelihood is high. But if we have multiple parties, the likelyhood is less, and there is chance to divert loyalty to other parties, to split away from the psychopath dominated sell-out parties. For that to work, the new movement to these ends should toss party loyalty out of the window and a dangerous trait. No party loyalty, party loyalty is a sin. Party fracturing and new upstarts: good. Parties uniting, merging, fusing: bad. If we need to form coalitions to have power on the ballot: strategic danger. People are so hopelessly naive, they sooo want to think that there are only good people, that they close their eyes to all dangers. They will actually have to be taught that you can't trust your fellow man in politics, you can't trust a soul. Any person doing anything in politics, it is completely unknown what the next move will be, people can show their corrupted will any sudden moment. Only the paranoid survive. People can't manage that I think, they are too childish for that. But we have to work with what we have to work with. People are children. Note that corrupt people often don't even know they are corrupt themselves. ... Won't the whole state then not corrupt under this model ? Sure, good chance on that still. But: a state is enormously important for the people, it is constantly in the brightest of spotlights. And like we have counter-balance to political parties in the sister-parties, we have counter-balance for nations in brother-nations (doing the same model). The care factor about a corrupt political party is low, the care factor about a corrupt government is higher. Also the ways in which it can be legally prosecuted are higher in a state then in a political party. Hence I'm hopeful, not only to prevent corruption, but also to cleanse it away once it has emerged somewhere. My state system is also made up largely from non-professional politicians, thus there is an extensive merging of the people and the Government. Many 'politicians' on actual 'duty' to be Government and making actual decisions, will work part time as Government; maybe as little as 1 day in the month - because they would be highly local Governments and there simply isn't that much to decide in small areas to warrant doing that job full time. The people, knowing that or seeing that too, they will demand that these representatives for local Government don't waste their time with nonsense, which would cost a lot of tax money to support. The people control that through their power over the Government (which is protocolized precisely and variously, through election, referendum power, keep-promise law). No more amateurism with the left anymore, we've had the amateurism of anarchists, socialists, liberals and communists now, and it's over. Play time is over. The fuck-up is total. It's about time things get sorted out before they go even more out of control. The babies messed up the playground, so the adults need to take over again, sorry but that's just the way it is, isn't it. Look at this bunch of idiots, the entire leftist movements. They couldn't get a village organized, could they ? No, they could not. Game over for the babies on the left, and the evil psychopaths on the right. Time for some hard hitting Constitutional law, imho. > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... -- http://www.socialism.nl