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Subject: Re: Libertarian Socialists Form in Denmark
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That's a good one. If you allow ownership of the means of production
to those who produre - which is everyone doing something iow labor -
then you have a chance to having a free market that does not abuse labor
anymore. Because labor would have the power to stand up for itself.
To defeat the tyrants of money and business and the scum that wants
to own all the land (feudal system).

Hence I'd say: that requires the *distribution* of the means of
production, because if you put it under central control, that central
control will disown 'labor,' and then the producers will in fact not own
the means of production anymore.

Hence: neither the pretence-socialist states in the east where EVER
anything closely to this socialist ideal, and neither where the
'capitalist' nations of the west socialist. Because nobody did in fact
/distribute/ the means of production ! Brilliant Steve, great. Problem
solved. The capitalists didn't allow the 'mean of production' to be hold
by those who produce: they feature the for profit business loans mechanism
which steals all businesses through its finance wars away from
cooperative ownership and grants it to abusive psychopathic bosses who
will abuse labor and dis-own labor from its ownership of what it has
made, abusing the top-management power to negotiate low wages for those
who produce and high profits for those who do nothing (financiers,)
while cutting themselves in big as well of course (CEO income). The
Capitalists neither allowed those who produce (labor) to own land, land
is in a market system and to buy it you have to pay absurd prices. Hence
land is effectively under control of big money.

Most eastern-block pretence 'socialist' nations where possibly even further
removed from "socialism" because they simply oppressed their people by
not allowing for a real people's democracy which requires laws and
protocols and an openness, which they don't allow for.

There have been land-distribution systems, and there have been company
labor ownership systems in the world in some nations, and there have
been attempts to distribute Government power to 'those who produce'
(also in capitalist nations, under pressure from ... socialists, in
Europe at least.)
-- 
http://www.socialism.nl <<-- Gives those who produce ownership of the
     means of production, pure & simple. Well ... not simple: complicated.
     Maybe I did use the right word for my site :).