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Subject: Demonstration contradiction: break law/order to protest breaking law/order ?
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I was part of a small protest (70 persons, in a city of 170.000) against
some people who smeared pig blood on a mosk, and left a pig head at the
mosk (Groningen). The political backdrop of this is that the wider
ruling class in Holland, particularly shady elements connected with high
finance or even foreign USA finance (PVV, an element of the VVD, right
wing capitalist party) is fomenting through its media a constant barrage
of attention for this amateurist PVV group. That group is of zero
interest, even from a right wing perspective it is laughable. All
attention for it is generated out of attention, the media was even
reporting on the extreme attention. Somewhere high up in the circles of
power over media they want to radicalize Holland. Maybe they see a
financial problem oming, and are preparing the ground to blame a group
other then themselves the guilty ones.

Anyway, at some point those in the lead started to walk on the middle
of the road, which was bus lane. You are not allowed to walk on the bus
lane, it is prohibited. The law says so. There was no emergency of any
kind. Hence, I walked on the curb and not on the road (even detoured not
to miss a zebra.) Police was escorting things at that point. There
wasn't any trouble mind you, even some people of local politics
participated and all was in good natured spirits; but it was still
breaking the law without good reason.

Then a bit later the leaders wanted even more attention so they
attempted to cause 'chanting.' At that point I left the demonstration.
I'm not an idiot that I go chanting through the streets; and anyway I
was having a discussion on content with someone.

That person told me that he thought it was normal that people in a
demonstration want a bit more attention for themselves (walking on the
car road & chanting.) Chanting, by the way, is not illegal.

But isn't that what the demonstration was against ? People using pig
carcasses to get more attention for a point then normal civil activities
would allow for. What is the difference between the two groups then ?
Both break the law, both scream attention that their number doesn't
allow for.

I think this is a fundamentally flawed tactic being used. You should try
to be as honorable as possible, being more honorable and respectful of
civil order and law then those actually in power (never mind their
goons). That way we ought to end up with the power soon enough. By being
the more trustworthy party.

(Doesn't mean you shouldn't march on the road ever, certainly if numbers
are high there is no choice; calling it a problem of intent rather then
what was done - the intend to get in the way to get attention, more then
the numbers would qualify for. I think if we are honorable as much as
possible, that is better for the long term. Revolutions and great change
is not for stone throwing juveniles or chanting children, it is serious
business that can kill many people.)

Say there was a bus behind us, it has to break. Then those people get
angry: who are these 70 idiots there ! It just doesn't work very well.
Chanting is even more stupid (though legal), imho.