. . Subject: Re: don't ask for favors, demand the power ... *be* the power. . . . . . . > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... That is a possibility in theory, but in practice I do not see it. What was the strategy that they believed in, the plan ? It just isn't there, it just doesn't exist. Sure they had some tactics for the next day or week, but nothing more. They had Lenin, who in my opinion was a great general in that he won - though there are people who say he was an agent of capital so who knows - but having a general isn't a plan, and Lenin neither worked from a plan. There was nothing. But if there was, please post it here. > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Absolutely, but remember that this is merely their known propaganda. Unlike with us who must do all public to reach the labor class, the enemies (capitalists) don't have to be open about their designs at all. So while 'freedom' is their main slogan because it is so easy to corrupt that ideal (unlike equality and brotherhood, which can be corrupted but seems like a little harder), when we look at capitalist strategies you get into things like: the nazis worked on setting up the EU even during the war, to deal with a German loss, in order to advance the goals of corruption and capitalist exploitation. That is hardly a tactical plan for the moment thought up in an afternoon, because it fits together with a greater strategy to bring all state Governance into one point, which then will be very easy to corrupt to their aims. They do seem to have plans, they do seem to be able to work step by step toward a fascist police state. They are careful, they are strategic and principled, tactically they are strong as well; and they know how to manipulate the people with lies, but also with 'real lies' as in fabricated situations that are then reported as genuine news (such as bombings blamed on others) etc etc. Why is this strange, that our enemies are great strategists and tacticians ? It isn't strange in the slightest. Just think about who the ruling class is. In terms of the army, it is the officer corps. Why is someone a soldier, and another a kolonel and yet another a general ? Because the soldier can not fathom strategy, and even in tactics is controlled every step of the way by superiors. In terms of the religion it is the clergy, and not the minions. The clergy has a multi thousand year old experience with f*cking with peoples their mind and conning them with cleverly deviced lies. In terms of economics it is banking and business bosses; what do they do ! They device strategies to win markets, to control labor and split and defeat the labor struggle, as they have done for centuries and indeed for millenia. In terms of feudal soil ownership ... do the math. Then above all else: who has time to think ? Labor is hard at work. What do the bosses do ? They think about how they can maintain control. Not just in the evening, but every day from day up to day down, all day long, for generations, in a whole very wealthy class, all with that interest. It would be a complete miracle if the ruling class was not completely superior in terms of theoretical strategy, tactics and manipulation. What does the evidence say: it fits, the labor class has no strategies and those that it has are bland. It has little tactics or even none at all. Then another deciding factor in any war: information. The ruling class have their agents if they need to, banking houses actually did have agents to report things. They approach this thing as a war, they develop tactics, get the information; and most of all: they understand the economic system while labor is totally clueless. Totally clueless indeed. Not one labor movement has a clue. Not one knows that you have to socialize banking while making trade as free as possible, while dividing the resources to all and democratize any organization in sight and absolutely and openly as can be. It is clear why they know, and why labor is clueless: you get to know what you work on ! Labor learns the ways of the mill, learns how to bake bread, learns how to raise cattle. The bankers learn how to manipulate the markets using money. Labor is still very much in doubt about just about everything, isn't that true ? Labor hasn't even decided it wants democracy in the corporations. To a great extend, labor is its own worst enemy. Anyway ... but it's not all gloom & doom, because through the past struggle for 'bread and games,' which you can call better working conditions without getting the power such as spare time and unemployement welfare and better health-care, labor too has now to a great degree what the ruling classes always had: time to think. Lenin said that all was lost until labor could get spare time, he was absolutely right. In that time we can do what we have always lacked, which is to device principle, strategy and tactic, and win. This is what we must do NOW. Our ancestors fought for these very minutes you and I have here, how many died for this ? They did not have this time we have now, or the resources, how many of them could even read or write, much less spend the money on a letter ? We have all this because they gave it to us. We owe it to them to do with this time that which they wanted us to do with it. Which is to liberate the working class from the opressors, forever. > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Exactly, so what does that mean ? We need principle (law) and tactic deviced against such infiltrations. Such as ? Open meetings, laws and traditions that will spread power around. We don't need 'key positions' because we realize they will be owned by the enemy, the infiltrators. We need a system without key positions. That is a question, that needs an urgent answer, now. It is not some question we can keep hangin around with for the next 3 generations, such as our forefathers also chose to do, not developing real strategies and tactics or principles at all. It's a war, and we need a winning strategy. People in key positions is a mistake, then what. Then labor goes to sit down on its behind and does nothing, thinking all is hopeless. That negative attitude is no good. Answers, now. Really thought-through answers, weeks of thinking hard and harder, nights slept badly because the problem was drilling in your brain like a restless worm. That is how wars are last ... and won. Don't we represent the vast majority ? To lose this war means proof of absolute idiocy. With even a half decent plan we should win with ease, even if their plan is brilliantly conceived and executed to perfection. -- http://www.socialism.nl