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Subject: Not by your fist, but with a cup of tea: don't listen to the 'traditional' socialist orgs and their immature ...
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Not by your fist, but with a cup of tea: don't listen to the
'traditional' socialist orgs and their immature ideas on revolution
or reforms.


        The class struggle in Thailand
        http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/pers-a15.shtml

       The class struggle in Thailand
       
       15 April 2010
       
          Weeks of anti-government demonstrations in
          Bangkok came to a head last Saturday in street
          battles as heavily-armed troops in riot gear
          attempted to break up one of two protest camp
          sites in the Thai capital. The resulting death
          toll has climbed to 23--18 civilians and 5
          soldiers. Hundreds were injured on both sides
          as thousands of protesters stood their ground
          and finally forced the troops to retreat.
          
          What has erupted in Thailand is the elemental
          first stage of class struggles that have
          broad significance for workers throughout the
          region and internationally. Bitter political
          infighting in the Thai ruling elites over the
          past four years has opened the door for the
          entry of sections of the rural and urban poor
          into political life.  Along with demands for
          immediate elections, deeper social concerns over
          poverty and unemployment have begun to intrude.

          (...)
          
They call this "the elemental first stage of class struggles," and
seem to be suggesting we should do this the world over. Bad idea,
unless the conditions are absolutely dire and bloody already, and
even then. These people can not lead anything if this is their theory
of struggle, after having had oceans of time to prepare. If this is
what they call 'elemental,' they are demoted to foot soldiers, if even
that. Better keep an eye on them, for not causing more violence then
it is worth, then.

I'm rejecting the 4th international, they have lost their standing.
What is this, but inciting bloody rebellion for no reason, without
a plan for winning ? What war is worth fighting without a peaceplan ?
They don't even have a war plan, much less a peace plan. Mere immature
babble, and that for what says to be an international organization of
all labor.

If you have the majority to win an insurrection, you practically have
the majority to erect a functioning new state system, especially one
inspired on the comitee model (groups voting for representatives, who
then from councils) because such a model is easy to set up from nowhere
and by everyone at the same time, without needing a command center.

The peace and justice plan must always have precedence on any war plan,
and even more over empty headed chaotic war making.

With an erected peoples government in hand, any armed struggle required
will be much easier to win as well.

The pen is mightier then the sword, nukes stand no chance in battle with
a cup of tea. But, no peace without justice. However, all in good time
(no war without it being absolutely necessary). Also do note that if you
postpone the war, if you seek peace, then if you are forced to go do war
finally, you will win it more easily if the wait has convinced more
people what side is the side of prosperity, peace and justice (which
should be our side).

The 4th international has stepped down, fine with me, np. If they
thought they said this kind of war is necessary in Thailand, they should
not have made it an example internationally, but they did. They seem to
suggest such battle is elementary, even in western Europe for example.
We are not even approaching that situation, the constructive revolution
hasn't even been attempted, and therefore it hasn't been attacked with
force either (by virtue of net yet existing).

Try to use the old bulge on your neck, then you can win !
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