. . Subject: Will labor/the left/the people end up destroying their own democracy & rights ? . . . . . If it is any guide how unruly and rioteering the people are reacting to adverse state decisions, and how impossible it clearly is to get the people in who'se interest it is properly organized and disciplined (which is /apparently/ needed, I wouldn't dare dream of such a thing if it wasn't sorely lacking apparently), then it seems a mere matter of time before the police and military finally call it quits on the right of the people to riot and cause mayhem (with the anarchists or anarchist like people in front ?), for the sheer necessity of having some order because otherwise everyone is going to die from complete economic catastrophe brought on by total disintegration and chaos. This is what you are doing right now, and the 'enemy' is playing it like a well honed guitar. The 'left,' the parties and so no, they are guilty over this, because it was their job to come up with solutions but they never did (liberals, marxists, anarchists, social democrats, all hollow movements without a backbone of answers), and academia of course, which is the general objective grouping who had that as their mission, but they didn't even care to note that they had. You can hardly blame 'the proles' for acting like this, because they are at the wheel all day everyday, how can they still find time and/or the energy to solve these quite extensive issues ? Hence the blame has to be shouldered by the 'intelligentia,' of all manner & stripe. In other words: you. You read this, so you have the time, but you don't get all these hollow parties in order. They are all hollow ! They all know next to nothing ! They are mere empty vessels begging to be filled with the water of truth, then things will happen, fast and good (well, faster and better at least, I guess & expect). You'll get what you deserve, bunch of braindead shysters, I warned you. Blame yourselve. None of you has done a thing for this. One half is crazy enough to demand a plan-economy, while the other half is crazy enough to think there is no problem with private banking. And so on, it is just not good enough. You can paint a ship in a thousand colors if you like, but if it got holes it will sink. No debate by itself will fix that, only pointing out the problem and then actually plugging the holes will. It doesn't matter how cute your logos look, or how many members you got: it matters that your program is sound. But there isn't any movement that has that, a bare minimum (at least none that I know.) How can that be a good thing ? It isn't. Then where will this all go ? To hell if you ask me, straight down the hell hole. Where else ? In the midst of total crisis and people bashing their heads in, suddenly water will become edible and everyone will fall into each others arms ? What tends to happen when the stomach goes empty and people lose their homes, jobs, security ? They contently dig around for roots to eat that aren't even there ? They contently turn over to one side and die happy knowing that their body will provide nutrients for a nearby tree, or a vulture or two ? Yes ? No ? Ok then, what then ? O forgot, one half still believes in the plan economy, the other half in free for profit finance, a third half thinks democratic companies will never work while another half thinks it is the whole answer, a fourth half simply thinks nothing and a fifth thinks parliament is the best form of democracy imaginable even when it is a rather failure, and another sixth half thinks there isn't een a problem. Where is that going to end ? I guess it is going to hell. Simply too much nonsense, too much divergent and contradictory and really inhuman and immoral nonsense. If you look closely at many of these ideas people have, you find a self-contradictory immoral streak in them, to be honest. Democratic companies will never work ? Ok, so that means human beings are destined to be tools and machines, serfs for their overlords. Plan economy ? So that means tens of millions will be regimented in their activities by a central authority about everything they do, and inspected every minute, because they can not be trusted with any freedom whatsoever (a stance argued from the ruling class perspective I note, marxism is actually a brand of elitist thinking, curiously). Parliament is great ? So that means that lying is ok then ? There just is no way to get through to you people, because it takes a little understanding to begin with. Just today I read an interesting byword: 'you can't council a prince wisely, if he isn't wise already.' That is the problem with the people: they are not wise, thus you can not council them wisely either, it just falls dead, makes absolutely no impact. How could it ? How can you explain economic laws and state Democratic improvements, to people who think all they got to do is shed their tears on the imaginary idol Jesus, or who hope that by focussing on their breathing they will become a forever-happy-buddah ? I'm sorry to make this analogy but it is the same as laying a banana on the table, and a Constitution, and saying to a small child he can have what he picks up. He picks the banana, and when he grows up he'll live through hell because society is hell without a form of organization (call it law or not, who cares). So, it'll be hell I guess, it will be hell. You will be sorry, and when there are no more bananas to be had, maybe finally you will bore enough to bother with laws that might work. Guess what: if it works, we can have as many bananas as we can eat, if we are willing to work for it at least. Now watch them complaign that I'm overbearing, arrogant and pompous. They always find another excuse for whatever they are doing wrong, they are so brilliant in that. They want to do anything, including slaughtering their brother proles of other nations (fun!); they want to do anything BUT get their nations in order and organize themselves effectively and strategically. But I don't really believe that, I think you can. Going through hell will be just what the doctor ordered for you, haha. That's how brilliant the world is I guess. Merely for the record: there is some time to do this the easy way. But I guess you have to latch on to that very soon now, within weeks if at all possible. It will all be a big work already, better start now. If not, who knows how long that banana will be there. One day, it just migth be gone, then what will you do ? Organize properly ? Or go out to smash a few windows and have a predictable police state reaction for it ? What you read and learn today, maybe you will do tomorrow. But what you don't learn today, what are the chances you will do it when your belly goes hungry ? hmm ? Don't you care for your little children ? The nice people everywhere you see ? You think this world goes right as it is going, with USA now weaponizing space again (maybe this time for real?), rocket shields being pulled up, and the familiar coups and military crack down in 'the usual nations' again, and an historic crisis apparently on the books causing serious riots in southern Europe again ? Does anyone need reminding how short ago Spain had a dictatorship ? Germany ? How long ago it was that the Dutch fought of Colonial spain in an eighty year war (!). You people behave as if that is tens of thousands of years ago on another planet, while it is all today right here ! The same names that ruled those dictatorships, their banks and corporations, their writing their organizatiosn, it is all right here alive and kicking. And there you are: drooling in a corner. Yeah sure, me too. But what in the hell am I going to do by myself beyond wage a propaganda war on the lies and stupidities ? When is anyone planning on winning this war with me, because i will win it one way or the other. How can you think the truth won't win in the end, either by victory or laughter ? Since you people are such hard heads, I think we should probably be looking for paramilitary training for you, because the way this is going is probably way too late when you finally do react, and then the time is probably already ripe for military uprising because of what you left slacking. You could rise up now with decent non-military political parties and funds and truth, and win easy, but you don't. The amount of rights and resources you give up by drooling in a corner right now means we will probably have to rise up under an opressive regime, which probably means actual overt war, guns blazing & people dying. What else ? You waste these precious moments before the crises drive the hordes completely mad. That will result in a crack-down, and that again will probably have to be met by a forceful resistance to recapture the basic rights. (And to make all that a lot more scary: the Tanach says as much would happen, and the prophets of Israel are yet to be wrong even once. Why do you do that, why don't we prove these prophets that we can be better then expected ? Wouldn't that make them happy and proud ? I would think so. I'm not religious, but I don't want to deny facts. You people, you messed up this Torah law system beyond recognition, and turned that into an abject cult of monstrous proportions, but that is not their fault. The Roman empire surely did their homework on defeating the truth one way or another, if not by stamping the truth into the ground before it can emerge, then by pulling it out of the ground and turn it into a prop for their circuses. Yeah, the ancient Romans knew the ways of Empire. But this isn't over yet.) -- http://www.socialism.nl